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[edit] An award, and maybe archive time?

WPOR Award: Sponsored in part by the Big Gold Dude.
You are hereby granted this shiny object for all your hard work at WikiProject Oregon!
Great job with your article creations in November, lots o' government stuff that's been needed. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:23, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Agreed on all counts. :-) And thanks for the barnstar! —EncMstr (talk) 19:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the invite!

Hi there, nice to "meet" you as well. I appreciate the invite, and will look into it more when I get home. I am new to the Oregon info-realm, as I am not currently an Oregonian but plan on moving to Portland in the very near future. It has been interesting learning all about Oregon, and I am very much looking forward to meeting new people and seeing new places. Hopefully your fellow Oregonians are as nice as you are (though perhaps I should not assumer you are an Oregonian--I am doing so only based on the fact you are posting info about the state in your spare time). Thanks again! Whataworld06 (talk) 22:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Nevermind, I now read on your userpage you are from Portland. Perhaps we will cross paths one day! Whataworld06 (talk) 22:52, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
      • Hey there, again! So I am just reading so much about Portland/Oregon lately, and I was surprised to see I could not find an article specifically dedicated to the Oregon Cannabis Tax Act 2010. I've seen it mentioned a few times, but realized I had to leave wikipedia for more information. I'm no druggie, but I find this subject fascinating (especially coming from such a conservative state). Am I just not seeing it, or is this possible act not worth its own article? Figured you were the one to ask since you follow legislation and ballot measures so closely. Whataworld06 (talk) 01:10, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Howard Rich

I've pointed OrangeStaple to the article's talk page, and I'd encourage you to visit Talk:Howard Rich too. Arguing about article content throught the edit summary field seldom works well. I'd like to see a reasonably concise explanation of the problems that you see with OrangeStaple's edits.

Either you two can successfully engage in a dialogue, or I might then have grounds for administrative action. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks again! (Cannabis in Oregon article)

Hey there, thanks for your contributions to and assistance with the Cannabis in Oregon article. It's certainly off to a great start, and I look forward to seeing it expand. Whataworld06 (talk) 14:42, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

  • By the way, do you have much experience with album articles? It seems to be a pain to upload album covers. I wasn't sure if you knew a fairly easy way to upload album covers without difficulty. If not, no problem--and no need to respond. Keep up the great work! Whataworld06 (talk) 01:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes, all sorts of copyright restrictions, etc. No worries! I will do more research on the matter. Peace! Whataworld06 (talk) 01:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A friendly reminder from the oft-forgotten Wikisource

The Oregon Constitution and its index still needs a lot of work, and it's an awful lot of work for one person. If you got time to help out, it'd be appreciated. I also posted a suggestion concerning the index on this talk page. Äþelwulf Talk to me. 11:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I haven't forgotten, believe me! I'll check in over the weekend. Glad to see you're still hammering away. -Pete (talk) 20:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Joshua Marquis

Thanks for the tips. I've tried to use the five or is it seven pillars when posting. I didn't realize that substantive debate didn't belong on that page. As you can probably tell my main interest is making sure that what is said about me is largely true if debateable. On my own web page (coastda.com) I invite all comers and never delete or edit out negative comments. But if you check out the URL from the unsigned user you edited you'll see a small but extremely vitriolic group of haters. I'm comfortable with controversy and look forward to other people putting counter views. Much of what I've written (in newspapers) generates lively debate. Thanks for the tips and edits Coastda (talk) 16:44, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

>> "I invite all comers and never delete or edit out negative comments."
False again. He never posts other comments than his own anymore -- that's why the DriedSalmon forum was created and continues. In fact he blocked one person from email for his comments. 75.139.213.230 (talk) 22:40, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips Peter and I sincerely appreciate the help. This fellow above is precisely the reason I monitor the page. In my business I will inevitably alienate some people but to give you an idea of what I consider a legitimate controvery from someone who really dislikes me but makes his point well see this piece by David Feige from the Boston GLOBE: http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2006/07/16/innocence_by_the_numbers/ This was in turn in response to a series of pieces by the New York Times' Adam Liptak: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/us/25bar.html That particular article post-dates Feige's piece but you get the idea. Coastda (talk) 23:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Agreed -- it's not difficult to imagine how someone taking this kind of approach might get blocked. Thanks for the links, looks like promising material. -Pete (talk) 23:16, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Thanks for the barnstar. I hope to keep plugging away on the measures, and other political/election topics and articles centric to Oregon. Ideally if we could have the full story on Oregon elections, politics and the history thereof, that would be a great resource I (and I suspect others) would use. Pipe dream perhaps, but there it is. Lestatdelc (talk) 00:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome, well-deserved!
A pipe dream perhaps, but one that I've shared for a long time. We've hit some pretty major milestones recently: the full history of ballot measures (largely due to EncMstr's efforts) and complete coverage of current Oregon State Senate members (stubs for all, full articles for many), largely attributable to Esprqii and Aboutmovies. Also been working on the Oregon Constitution with Athelwulf, both here and on Wikisource. We're making big strides, and your recent efforts are a great addition.
Going forward, I'm pretty focused on getting a wiki-friendly bill through the legislature: [1]] (please help out there too if you're interested, or at least add your name in support) and, related to that, I'm planning to email all current legislators and request that they submit photos. (That email will go out Jan. 5).
Anyway, very glad to see you getting this stuff taken care of, and looking forward to seeing what we can get accomplished in '09. -Pete (talk) 07:11, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
We seem to envision many of the same things about the true potential of hypertext and open transparent publication of a truly accessible narrative about our government and politics. To be quite honest, I am shocked to learn of an actual legal impediment to ordinary citizens doing things like re-publishing Oregon laws, etc. I have signed up as a supporter, though I am not sure how best I can help at this point, and don't want to overcommit in any case, but would like to help when and how I can. Lestatdelc (talk) 08:40, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Nice to meet you. A merry very Christmas and a Happy Mappy New Year!

ROGERCHOCODILES 18:40, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Columbia and cousins

Doing something with the tidal Columbia is an interesting idea and not one I had considered before you brought it up. I know zilch about Vancouver Lake, truth be told. This leads me, though, to another thought I keep having, which is that it's too bad forward movement on the Columbia River article has stopped. I had imagined that we'd push through the rather big list of to-dos in a couple of weeks and charge off to FAC, but it's proven harder than I expected. I don't think the main problem is a writing problem so much as a too-many-cooks problem. If you decide again to take it to FAC, I won't holler "whoa" as I did before but will help however I can. I'd prefer to be only a helper and nothing more grand; just give the word if you want to have another go at it. Finetooth (talk) 03:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

For me, the thing that stopped me was the realization that our coverage of things native was so egregiously thin. I actually found a source that would help in fleshing it out, but it just suddenly seemed like...so much work! I will get back to it, shortly. I think I'll do that much, and then nominate. That seemed to me like the only thing i'd classify as "major" holding it back. Thanks again for your help, and your support! -Pete (talk) 04:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MacDaddy

If anyone could improve this article, I bet it's you! lol --David Shankbone 23:32, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Man! I finally found the proper redirect -- Virility. Sorry I called you a pimp and a prosty! --David Shankbone 00:10, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Does anybody know who this Shankbone character is? Might just be me, but I think the guy's got a couple of screws loose. -Pete (talk)
You know...virility could use a new photo.... might I suggest this one? --David Shankbone 00:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking about you during that photoshoot, baby. -Pete (talk)
I think you have enough on your plate, Petey. Just get past New Year's before expanding your horizons - lol! --David Shankbone 00:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alcohol in Oregon on WP:DYK

Did it ever get featured? I haven't checked thouroughly, but it seemed like it fell through the cracks. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 07:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

No, I think it's coming up -- it's always a little tricky to understand how this works, the system seems a little complicated and I think they're always tinkering to make it more streamlined. But I am pretty sure it's in the works. See this edit. -Pete (talk) 08:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
It was on deck, see the link from this note. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:43, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for checking on it AM. Looks like a simple mistake. Fingers crossed. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 09:40, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Yep, its been fixed and is back in the que. Aboutmovies (talk) 12:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:32, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you both for tracking it down. -Pete (talk) 18:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peteforsyth was inducted into The Hall of The Greats

On December 30, 2008, User:Peteforsyth was inducted into

The Hall of The Greats

This portrait of Stephen Colbert was dedicated in his honor.
David Shankbone.
Shucks, thanks. The look on his face seems like someone who is about to get blindsided by an errant ladder or two by four. Here's hoping it's Steven who takes the blow, not me! Appreciate it, Dave. -Pete (talk) 19:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
You are, of course, *totally* wrong. (lol - inside joke before I get taken to ANI). Actually, there were maybe 9 photographers at this event, and we of course get our own section up close and unobstructed. Right when Colbert arrived and sat down, one of the photographers revealed himself to be a spy! He was a 9-11 Truther! He started screaming, "Keep laughing, Stephen, when are you going to tell the truth about 9-11? Why don't you tell another joke, Stephen!?" as he was led away (and of course he shouted out some web address nobody wrote down). It was cool in that it was an unscripted moment, and also when photographing it's easy to get lost in the view finder - I had to force myself to ignore the Truther, or I wouldn't have gotten any shots. So all of the Colbert photos on Commons from this event were taken as a 9-11 Truther was screaming at Colbert, and he was trying to pretend he couldn't hear him. --David Shankbone 19:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Here, I'll do a gallery of the expressions as the truther is yelling:

I believe the joke was "Forsyth is TOTALLY WRONG." -Pete (talk)

[edit] DYK for Alcohol in Oregon

Updated DYK query On 30 December 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Alcohol in Oregon, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cirt (talk) 21:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removing ballot measures form the Oregon election year categories

I noticed you had a bot remove the "Oregon elections, 2008" categories from the articles Oregon Ballot Measure 52 (2008) and Oregon Ballot Measure 51 (2008). I am curious as to why? All the other ballot measures on the 2008 ballot have those category tags. I am not 100% clear on how we should be structuring the category tags for all ballot measures and elections, but it would seem that either we should remove the tags from all of the other 2008 measures or add the tag back into the 52 and 51 articles. Lestatdelc (talk) 03:31, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Not to butt in, but I believe Pete removed it because the ballot measures are in Category:Oregon 2008 ballot measures, which is a sub category of Category:Oregon elections, 2008, thus it is in that category. And we generally do not place articles in both the parent and child categories. Also, its not a bot, it is HotCat, which is a handy category tool you can enable under your "my preferences" area. It allows you to quickly add categories, and even will give suggestions as you type, plus let's you know if the cat already exists. Hope that helps. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Gotcha. I knew there was most likely a sound reason for it. I was not 100% how the category structuring worked. So I assume I should clean up the other ballot measure articles and remove any Category:Oregon elections, 2008 tags and just put the Category:Oregon 2008 ballot measures tags (and do likewise going forward). Yes? Lestatdelc (talk) 09:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes to both, and great job writing all these ballot measure articles. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi there - Lestatdelc, sorry, I meant to send you a note explaining that, but got distracted. AM, thanks for explaining. I'm happy to keep chipping away at it too, but...not now, it's time for bed. -Pete (talk) 10:04, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Message on my talk page

May I ask what user you are talking about? --Orange Mike | Talk 17:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, that one! As a fellow government worker (on his lunch break), I can sympathise with that user; but our rules are clear. Another editor (Finngall) did give Metrogov a welcome, along with a warning, before I blocked them. As I said in my message on the talk page, their intentions were quite possibly benign; but we have to hold everybody to the same standards on rules like role accounts and inappropriate usernames. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:33, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Yours is an excellent point, and one I will keep in mind in the future. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:44, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
No big. I'm thick-skinned and slow to anger. We obviously have interests in common, not least in local and state government. Oregon is also high on the list of places-not-Wisconsin-where-I-could-bear-to-live; but Potlatch is not quite WisCon. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Petey's coming to Colorado!

Woo-hoo! --David Shankbone 15:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Your GA nomination of Wayne Morse

The article Wayne Morse you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . It hasn't failed because it's basically a good article, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Wayne Morse for things needed to be addressed. Million_Moments (talk) 17:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

No worries, these things happen. If I fail the article for now you can just re-nom it when you've made the necessary changes and it should pass easily! Sound okay like a plan? Million_Moments (talk) 09:21, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Any activity on the Oregon Government 2.0 bill?

I haven't noticed a lot of significant progress being documented at PdxWiki. No activity on the talk page since my last comment either. Maybe I'm just out of the loop? How can I get into it? — Athelwulf [T]/[C] 03:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

My fault! Actually, a fair amount going on, which I haven't gotten into an email or onto the wiki yet. We got a draft back for the public domain stuff; and we've got somebody working on an additional bill to require government to use open document formats. And, a Flash developer who's volutneered to produce a 5 minute video piece, if we can put together a script etc., to advocate what we're doing. I will put together an update email, and update the wiki page, by tomorrow night. Thanks for the "ping," and my apologies for not being more on top of this! -Pete (talk) 21:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

WikiThanks

Thank you for your wonderful suggestion on: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous) as someone who invests time in saving articles, you maybe interested in the conversation we are having here: Changing name to Articles for deletion, you may also be interested in Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron. Have a great weekend, hope to see you very soon again! travb (talk) 15:03, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hats off

The Socratic Barnstar
I just read this post of yours and have to say, this is probably the best and clearest explanation I've ever seen of how people start out here and how we should treat each other. This should be a motto for all of us. Politizer talk/contribs 23:14, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your good advice. I think we've smoothed out the issue and I definitely understand where he's coming from better than than I did before. I was ignoring some of his very legitimate concerns with the way I approached him, and I apologized for that. In the end, it may prove to be a useful incident to learn from, as you suggest. ... Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:56, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Peter Courtney edit

What's with this edit to the Peter Courtney article, using a diff to another article as a reference? I'm assuming it was a mistake, seeing that the diff doesn't seem to provide any relevant info and knowing you're a pretty busy person. Jason McHuff (talk) 07:40, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, good question -- I suspect I copy-pasted the wrong URL. I'll seek out the right one tomorrow...I know he's the chair, because I testified before that committee ;) Thanks for catching that. -Pete (talk) 07:49, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome. Its interesting that such a poor edit has been in there so long. He may not be the Governor, but he is a very notable person. Jason McHuff (talk) 05:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
FYI, that edit still appears to need fixing. Also, I fixed another error you made to Seattle Post-Intelligencer: [2]. Template: Oregon Encyclopedia requires underlines between the words in the parameter (should have been "allen_eric_w_"). It was looking odd in the article, but looking at the template, it makes since how it was being displayed (the URL was ended at the first space and the other parts were showing in the reference)
BTW, sorry I didn't make it to the last two WikiWednesdays or the RecentChangesCamp. I've been trying to get some other stuff done, and something came up last-hour before the last WW. Jason McHuff (talk) 03:35, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Aah yes, I've made that error with the OE template before. Sorry I missed that, thanks for catching it!
As for the other error, how about this: I'll fix the error when you come to a WikiWednesday ;) -Pete (talk) 18:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, if I have the ability to come (something else isn't happening), I'd love to come. Jason McHuff (talk) 07:19, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Oh boy -- I'm actally gonna be outta town for the April meeting, but you should go anyway if you can! Maybe see you in May? -Pete (talk) 23:30, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Yep, they told me you're in San Fran. IOW, I was there, but you weren't! :) Two other things: I'm not sure if the AboutUs phone number is useful for trying to get into the building, since I think it might go to voice mail or something after hours (it wasn't yesterday that I had this problem, even though I had issues with my server which held me up until about 6). Also, I could have probably made it last month if it was a week late. I was actually going to come over on the 4th.
Lastly, have you seen how Encarta is going to shut down, very possibly due in part to Wikipedia? I have at least three (older) versions of Encarta on CD/DVD and access to Encarta Premium online but don't really use them. Jason McHuff (talk) 22:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Online project

Hey Pete. I was speaking with someone you may know the other day (Carla Axtman of BlueOregon / Loaded Orygun fame) about an online project in the vain of what we chatted about here, and she suggested that I get in touch with you to discuss it further. If you could shoot me an email at lestatdelc@mac.com I would love to talk to you about it and seek your input and council on it. Lestatdelc (talk) 03:30, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Award from: Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron's Hall of Fame

Congratulations, you have been inducted into the Article Rescue Squadron's Hall of Fame.

The Article Rescue Squadron's Hall of Fame award, a Life Preserver has been added to your existing awards.

Feel free to add more articles saved awards, and to award other people this award too, for saving articles from deletion on Wikipedia. Ikip (talk) 16:07, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Your welcome! Have a wonderful week, and I hope to honor you with many more awards in the future. Ikip (talk) 09:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I think the wikiproject Oregon perecentage of saveing articles is close to 100%. It's quite a bit different from fiction AfDs, but I keep an eye oon Oregon deletion sorting. I almost can't remember when the result was delete. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 10:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. The only deletion I can remember is List of ZIP Codes in Oregon, part of a large number of similar articles deleted, disregarding/trampling our value added format. —EncMstr (talk) 16:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, I dunno about that. Seems we've slain any number of unneeded articles.. SOULJAZZ comes to mind as a particularly unpleasant deletion debate, but there's any number of others. It may be that we're near 100% for articles where there's a discernible consensus amongst the Oregonian set, but then again that may just indicate that we're all in this together. :)
These words from the wise Aboutmovies come to mind:
AFD: Being a Deletionist or Inclusionist is inappropriate. In my opinion being either is a violation of the neutral point of view and an assumption of bad faith. Each editor that thinks about deleting another article or participants in the AFD process needs to enter either with an open heart and an open mind, and then apply the relevant Wikipedia guidelines/policies to the individual articles. Otherwise your bias can get in the way of making a sound decision based on the current policies.
-Pete (talk) 19:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Are you sure it's wise for you to be seen in public with this guy?

[edit] B-day for Oregon

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[edit] Email to legislatures

Did your email to the Oregon legislatures ever go out? Raul654 (talk) 22:05, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Government 2.0 bill

G'day Pete. I'm wondering if there has been any activity lately on the bill. I still very much would like to help out with the bill (schoolwork permitting), but I don't know what progress we've had. There's certainly been a lot of vandalism on that page, but the last time any content was actually changed, our president was still the president-elect. :) Also, is there an unofficial, implicit leader of this effort? — Athelwulf [T]/[C] 22:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cannabis in Oregon template

Hey, do you think there are enough articles to create a similar template for Cannabis in Oregon. I'm not as familiar with differences between Measures, Acts, Propositions, Bills, etc. to know what could be included where, nor am I familiar with which legislative proposals have articles on wikipedia. Since I know you are familiar with the ballot measures and other Oregon-related legislation, I wanted to get your feedback on the issue of creating a template. Possibilities: Portland Hempstalk Festival, Oregon Medical Marijuana Act, etc. Thanks! --Another Believer (Talk) 17:51, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Could be a good thing. I think having an article like Cannabis in Oregon takes care of most of the need for it (notice that California doesnt have a similar article). But if you want to create a template, I think that would be great. I'd suggest separating your task into two parts: first, find all the articles you might want to include, and then figure out the best way to visually present them. If it were me, I'd first create a category Category:Cannabis in Oregon (or Category:Marijuana in Oregon), and start putting the articles in there. That would be a good category to have anyway, and it will also get you a step closer to building a template. Just a thought, hope it helps. -Pete (talk) 19:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I think you are right. Having Cannabis in Oregon takes care of that--I'm just a sucker for nice templates, so I thought it might be helpful. However, now that I read over the Cannabis in Oregon article, I see there are not enough articles about legislative proposals or laws, etc. to create a template for. Maybe in the future! Thanks again. --Another Believer (Talk) 23:05, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Howdy

Welcome back. I knew you'd been traveling. I saw a photo of you in Colorado, but I forget how I came upon it. Don't worry about Wayne or any of the other stuff. I filled in as many of the Wayne blanks as I could, and it probably wouldn't take much more to get him up to GA. All in due time. I'll think some more about the estuary. It sounds complicated, truth be told. I wonder if anyone has created a model that could be imitated. Finetooth (talk) 05:16, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, well, duh. As I was logging off, I saw the Colorado photo right above my note. Finetooth (talk) 05:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hi! Bye!

Showed up today out of the blue & I'm about to disappear again, but I just wanted to say a quick hello before I do. Thanks for all your contributions -- and I say yes take Columbia River to FAC! I hope to be back editing again someday, but now I'm going to vanish again. Keep up the great work! (That NW1, so mysterious!) Northwesterner1 (talk) 03:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Signpost RSS

Feel free to announce it on WP Oregon blog; I'll be mentioning it in the Signpost next week, but there's no reason to cluster it all around that time.--ragesoss (talk) 01:39, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] For you

The Real Life Barnstar
This is measly reward for the dedication Pete has shown to Wikimedia, wikis, collaboration and transparency through his tireless real world advocacy as a member of WikiProject Oregon. To call this barnstar long overdue would be an understatement. Steven Walling (talk) 20:48, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Hear, hear! Katr67 (talk) 22:28, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you both, I really appreciate it :) Already thanked Steven on Twitter, but I realized it's looking here like this lovely award is going un-acknowledged. Not so! -Pete (talk)

[edit] Logos

Thanks for the heads up. If I'm looking at it correctly, the FILE (with the info) not the IMAGE needed to be used. I'm going to try it that way butlet me know if it is off.Cptnono (talk) 03:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Saw that you reverted. Hate to bug you, but can you tell me what is missing from the file pages? They are used in other places so it needs to get fixed if it does not meet the guidelines.Cptnono (talk) 07:18, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I was just about to send you a message when you sent yours. I'm not sure it meets the "It illustrates an educational article about the entity that the logo represents" criteria mentioned at Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline. I'll poke around and see if it is possible then throw it in the help or discussion pages to get some feedback. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.Cptnono (talk) 07:30, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! To be completely honest the IP editor found the correct page and I took the template from Ohio (MI was ot sufficient in this case) which worded it perfectly. Can't take too much credit.Cptnono (talk) 23:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] WP:POINT violation at a GA article

This recent edit [3] by disruptive WP:SPA Off2riorob (talk · contribs) who has a history of already being blocked for Disruptive editing: Poorly sourced POV edits despite warnings, seems to be a violation of WP:POINT, especially in light of the subsequent comment made by the POV-pusher at the article's talk page: for example see this inappropriate edit summary [4], and the incivility in the remarks which stray off topic of discussing the article's content itself, and of reliable sources. It would be appreciated as you are an admin at WikiProject Oregon, if you could investigate this user's behavior. Thank you for your time, Cirt (talk) 20:35, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow, upon noticing Off2riorob (talk · contribs)'s creation of this page [5] (which, in its present state is mostly WP:NOR violations) that page was then tagged by a third-party user to be merged to Osho [6], but Off2riorob (talk · contribs) changed the tag for some reason to propose a merge of this unrelated article into the GA 1985 Rajneeshee assassination plot [7], where Off2riorob was already disruptive, above, we begin to see that the entire creation of this page violating WP:NOR is also a violation of WP:POINT: disruption of the project to push a point of Off2riorob (talk · contribs)'s position regarding his desire not to use the term "followers" in 1985 Rajneeshee assassination plot. Cirt (talk) 21:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Osho Follower. Cirt (talk) 21:13, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Posted to ANI to get some additional attention: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruption_from_two_users_at_a_GA-rated_article. Cirt (talk) 21:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Forest Park

Hi Pete. I believe I've addressed all of your concerns about Forest Park (Portland). The last, the park in context, was the toughest and took me a while to figure out, but I think I have. Would you mind taking another look? Finetooth (talk) 00:34, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to lose that thread, and thanks for the ping! I am so enthused about this article. I've been wanting to work on that article for some time. I had not noticed all the work you put into it until it went up for FAC, and I'm so impressed with what you've done. Thanks for taking my suggestions and running with them -- this is truly a fine effort from the Finest of Teeth! -Pete (talk) 01:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Your Block Warning to User:Collect

Pete - There appears to be an organized effort by Phoenix of9 going on against Collect, where Phoenix of9 is putting in somewhat of a full-court press of RfC, AN/I, AN3, etc. as a means of intimidating/removing Collect from a Mediation on the Rick Warren article. I would hold off on issuing any blocks prior to investigating the rather convoluted situation.--Lyonscc (talk) 14:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Phoenix of9

Please pardon the delay - the last 12 hours I have been quite ill with major pains, and just now awike. Phoenix has made repeated use of prcess to attack me, and I did not appreaciate him n his own implying that an admin had officially trevied his RFC.U on em. The RFC/U had fourteen editors contacted by the two maun propnents of that RFC, and I had thought that the moving of the page to "certified" by the very person who made the charge was i proper. If it was, in fact, the normal procedure, I apologise fully. Thanks! Collect (talk) 14:58, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

As I removed no text from the complaint, I do not recisely know what you are referruing to here. Can you show me what I deleted? Thanks! Collect (talk) 15:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
No problem! Might I ask if his self-certification was proper? Thanks! Collect (talk) 15:14, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure I can answer that without doing some research, and I really don't want to get it wrong after my earlier mistake. If I have a chance to look into this today I will. -Pete (talk) 15:59, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] sign this

You forgot to sign this. Good email, BTW. tedder (talk) 19:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] FYI

Yes, in fact I was so interested I read it hours ago. Good letter. I hope it gets results. I've been pleasantly surprised at how promptly and helpfully non-Wikipedia authorities have responded to my requests. The USGS adjusted their Columbia Slough coordinates in response to one of my queries. (I give EncMstr full credit for the idea of sending an e-mail to the USGS in the first place.) More recently, I wrote to Peter Harnik, the director of the Center for City Park Excellence, Trust for Public Land, to point out that the Trust was using an out-of-date number for the size of Forest Park. He congratulated me (us, really) on our important work and agreed to make a change to the Trust's park list sometime during the next few weeks. Finetooth (talk) 21:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] tech assistance.

thanks pete . I also agree that the mug shot should stay . I trimmed the picture in windows paint and it ended up as a bitmap and I couldnt upload a bmp file , so it needs trimming which program would be good for that or should I upload the original and let someone else trim it ? I prefer to trim it myself ..help!(Off2riorob (talk) 20:25, 18 April 2009 (UTC))

Off2: I'm not Pete, but I stalk his userpage. Use GIMP, or (re)post the image and I'll crop it for you. tedder (talk) 21:31, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
I agree that Windows Paint probably isn't the best program -- and GIMP is definitely the best free tool for what you're trying to do. I think uploading it and letting someone else crop it per your instructions might be the easiest way to go -- I'd be happy to give it a shot, and do it a second time if it doesn't quite match your vision... -Pete (talk) 22:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
If this is about this image, I already did it. The file still needs ownership information added to it, though. tedder (talk) 22:13, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

In reply to pete's question on my userpage . I am new to image licencening , so a little help would be good . Right now I'm unsure , and that is why I havn.t tagged it . Basically I emailed Sheela asking her for a free use photo and telling her what I wanted to do with it , to update her photo on wikipedia . After askng a couple of questions on picture help I have sent her an email asking her to confirm free to use rights and I am awaiting a reply.So although I feel I already have been given free use from the owner , I have sent asking her to confirm this and I have been bold in uploading it. What could I tag it with while I am waiting confirmation?(Off2riorob (talk) 07:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC))

[edit] Forest Park FA

File:WikiThanks.png Thanks again for your eagle eye, helpful suggestions, kind words, and support regarding Forest Park (Portland), which made FA this afternoon. Finetooth (talk) 01:11, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] U too can help Oregon

Howdy WikiProject Oregon folks. It is time again it is time for another round of the Collaboration Of The Week. A big thank you to those who worked on Calapooya Mountains and Portland Saturday Market, both saw some great improvements. For this week we have two great opportunities for DYKs with Brian McMenamin and Algoma, Oregon. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:34, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Excess reverts?

Nope. That editor's posting elsewhere showed that she has some kind of COI connection with the subject, and should not be editing his article; so I rolled her back all the way. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:40, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Bring on the COTW

Good afternoon WikiProject Oregon peoples. It is time again it is time for another round of the Collaboration Of The Week, Volume 82. Thank you to those who worked on Algoma, Oregon‎ and Brian McMenamin, both saw some great improvements and are up for DYks. This week we have Mary Alice Ford and by request Waterfront Blues Festival. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Live long and phosphorous. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Question

So, I am not sure how involved you are with the construction and maintenance of WikiProject Oregon (I know you work on many of the articles, but I am referring to the project itself), but I was wondering if you might have any suggestions for WikiProject Rufus Wainwright. I am trying to assemble a group to work on articles related to Wainwright, his albums/songs, etc. Based on some of the other project pages I have seen, I created a scope, participant list, DYK section, as well as a couple templates for group use. However, I was not sure if I needed to create one of those quality/importance assessment charts like the one WikiProject Oregon uses (along with many other projects). If you happen to have just one second to take a look at the project I have started, when you are free and able to do so, it would be much appreciated. Just wondering if there is anything else I can do to improve the page and better organize the articles associated with the project, creating goals and to-do lists, etc. Thanks again! I promise some day I will learn to quit bothering you. :p

BTW - Portland is incredible! While finding employment has been very difficult, I am not regretting the move yet and I am hoping something in my preferred field will come to me soon. I look forward to reading and contributing to many more articles related to Oregon in the future! --Another Believer (Talk) 23:48, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Use of State of Oregon Photos

About yr/so ago, we exchg'd notes on rules for using photos produced by State of Oregon in wiki-articles. Bottomline was--even though State of Oregon makes all its photos available for any use w/o restriction, fact that State prohibits third parties from selling rights to State Archive/Blue Book photos makes them off limits for use in wikipedia (unless there is specific Fair Use rationale). However, just found very interest statement on photo gallery page of Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife. It says: "These images are the work of ODFW employees, taken during the course of the person's official duties and belong to the Public Domain." That's pretty clear statement. So, why would photos taken by ODFW employees be different from photos taken by other State employees? Can we then assume, based on very clear statement by ODFW, that all photos taken by State of Oregon employees in course of their duties are Public Domain? What do you think?--Orygun (talk) 02:27, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Excellent research, thanks for sharing. My general understanding is that the Oregon Constitution gives agencies the authority to claim copyright if they like, but maybe the "default" position is public domain if they don't? I'm still not completely sure. I'll try to let you know if I learn anything new. But in the short term, I think you can safely treat that agency's works as PD.
Also, you might want to join the Oregon Transparency Taskforce email list, which we recently started to keep track of issues like this. -Pete (talk) 19:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Very interesting...so I guess it all depends on legal default--i.e. are all State photos Public Domaian unless department claims ownership, or does State retain ownership unless department releases them to Public Domain. At least we have another sources for usable images. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 00:03, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] I canvass you

Hi there, Pete! Encouraged by my resounding 100% victory (1/0/0) at the other wiki, I'm giving adminship a shot here. If you're interested in co-nominating (no problem if you're not!), the page is here. Either way, I'll be at the next Wiki Wednesday, hope to see you there! -kotra (talk) 17:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Kotra, that's great -- I haven't yet reviewed your edit history with an eye to adminship, but I definitely think your demeanor and Wikipedia spirit are exactly right for the task! I'll try to help you out, but my next week or so is likely to be insanely busy. I think I'd be happy to co-nom, but I don't want to hold you up if you want to proceed more quickly than that. Your call! -Pete (talk) 19:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Don't worry about holding me up. I've asked another editor as well, and if that doesn't work out either, it's fine; I don't think co-nomming is absolutely crucial. If you do get a moment sometime to briefly review my edit history, I'd be interested in your thoughts, but it's fine if you're too busy! -kotra (talk) 19:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Something shiny

Wikipedia Motivation Award Wikipedia Motivation Award
With a Real Life Barnstar cluster. For continuing to promote Wikipedia, and WikiProject Oregon, to the rest of the world, and in real life, and especially for tomorrow's radio show. Good job! Katr67 (talk) 19:38, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Well that's such an incredibly cool award...I'm really flattered. Thanks Katr! -Pete (talk) 02:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] User:Peteforsyth and WikiProject Oregon on the radio tomorrow

Pete Forsyth is on the radio tomorrow morning repping WikiProject Oregon. -->David Shankbone 00:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I think he knows :-) tedder (talk) 00:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I was letting followers of his page know, but a reminder to Pete could be helpful :-) -->David Shankbone 00:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Heh. I just found it amusing. Looking forward to hearing it. tedder (talk) 00:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
They might have figured it out from the barnstar above. ;) Katr67 (talk) 01:01, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Are you saying I've been using a megaphone to spread the word? Yeah...it's possible, I get carried away sometimes :) Looking forward to it, and hoping some of you wikifolk make accounts at opb.org and participate in the online discussion during the show! There are bound to be many questions... Thanks for your interest everybody! -Pete (talk) 02:21, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Well done. I listened, and it was good. The show's focus seems to have been more on Oregon Encyclopedia than Wikipedia, but you explained the latter eloquently. -kotra (talk) 18:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you sir! Yes, I agree it was a little heavier on the OE side..but it was basically OE's PR efforts that led to the show happening to begin with, so I think that was kinda fair. Also, I was encouraged that in many ways, David's questions came from a perspective of "Wikipedia gets this stuff right, why is OE falling short of its goals/failing to build community on a large scale?" I'd much rather have a good foundation to comment from, than have equal time on the show. Hopefully, this show will make it easier to do stuff that's more heavily Wikipedia-focused in the future. Thanks for listening, and commenting! -Pete (talk) 18:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Advice?

Did I do the right thing on Eagle_Nebula#External_links? (I tried clicking on what had been the last of the External links, but Avast gave me a Trojan Horse! warning. So I felt the responsible thing to do was to disable the link, but leave it available in case it gets fixed.) — Martha (talk) 02:36, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Great catch! I altered it so that your comment is within the comment field, because otherwise I think it would be confusing to the vast majority of readers, who don't know a thing about the Wikipedia editing process. Some great photos on that article!! -Pete (talk) 03:25, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] SPAM man

Pete (also leaving same message for EncMstr), perhaps you have noticed our serial spammer User talk:Chawman69 who adds SPAM across Oregon articles and has been asked to stop on many occasions? Can they be blocked for a period or, does this need to go through some sort of formal process? It is low volume, but it grows old. See also User talk:Tedder#Re: portland-area linkspam. Let me know, thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:50, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I'll take a look. In your experience does he make positive contributions also? Are the spam links generally to the same sites (suggesting a WP:COI, or are they merely low-value external links? -Pete (talk) 15:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Same site, or ones that pass WP:DUCK for being highly related- see User_talk:Chawman69#Spam_links. There's certainly COI (look at this). tedder (talk) 16:10, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
This conversation is happening in too many places- if you folks don't mind, can we centralize it at User talk:Tedder#Re: portland-area linkspam? tedder (talk) 19:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Kotra's RfA

Hi, as conominator at Kotra's RfA I am happy to see that you added your support. It happens that I don't know Kotra personally nor his/her gender. I notice you refer to Kotra as "he". Many editors (including myself) don't give out personal information and I try to respect that. Do you have a source for kotra's gender? Cuddlyable3 (talk) 10:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC) (Reply on my page)

Nope, no source, and now that you mention it I may be mistaken! -Pete (talk)
Here's a source:[8] It's self-published, but I think it may be admissible in this case (although the publisher is known to be unreliable...). -kotra (talk) 17:29, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Examining the publisher in action has convinced me that it is unlikely a Wikipedia admin could be mistaken about this. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 18:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Hah! Funny. I learned something from the comments at that video, too -- apparently I'm a dirty person! I'm going to go take a shower :) -Pete (talk) 20:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] I have three questions

I made an edit today--one edit--to the article Carrie Prejean and have not made an edit to the article in days, but yet another editor reversed my ONE edit and then reported me on the 3RR notice board. I find this to be a clear use of Wikipedia to win a debate about article content and direction. Prejean was called a series of negative things by Perez Hilton, most of the words are contemptuous and vile, such as the b-word and c-word. There are editors that believe that each and every one of Hilton's use of those words MUST be included in the article about Prejean. Now, I don't see the need to have an article about Prejean dominated by the words and comments of ONE individual (highly negative words at that) dominate the life story of Prejean. It is tantamount to having the words of Saddam Hussein concerning George W Bush dominate the Wikipedia article about Bush. It violates Wikipedia avowed goal of NPOV and it violates BLP. Now, I know that consensus in Wikipedia editing is one of the goals, but consensus does NOT override other valid Wikipedia ideals such as BLP. There can be a compromise made where the gist of Hilton's highly negative opinion is included in the article, but at the same time it does NOT dominate the life story of Prejean. Prejean is notable for many, many reasons, not just her public fight with Hilton. She is notable for being a successful model; she is notable for participating in Deal or No Deal; she is notable for being the current Miss California USA; and she is now notable for being a TV personality. My first question is: Can you at least review the article and see if the second, third, fourth, and fifth repetitions of the b-word and c-word violates BLP? I believe that it does. And my second question is: Is it appropriate to make a report on an editor for violating 3RR even though that editor has only made one edit? And my third question is: Is misusing 3RR to win a debate on the proper interpretation of BLP appropriate? I don't think so.--InaMaka (talk) 15:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, this is totally out of the blue to me...I am only vaguely aware of who Prejean is. So I can't really answer the content aspects of your questions; as for the process stuff, that's rather difficult to assess as well, without understanding the content stuff a little better. Have you thought about using any of the dispute resolution steps? -Pete (talk) 17:26, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
InaMaka canvassed a dozen or so editors with this same message. Regardless, the issue seems to be being resolved at the edit warring noticeboard. -kotra (talk) 17:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] User:Pioneercourthouse

There is a proposal on WP:ANI to formally ban that idiot, now that he's branching out into harassment and trying to get other users in trouble. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:56, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Aunt Betty

Hilarious!

You left out all my original research that proved she was a founding member of the Oregon Sports Hall of Fame and is widely thought to be the leading contender to be the Independent Party of Oregon's candidate for the U.S. House seat in Oregon's 6th congressional district in 2012.

--Esprqii (talk) 21:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and for a time she was homeless at Pioneer Courthouse Square. She's mostly harmless though. Katr67 (talk) 22:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Glad you liked it :) Feel free to add any non-notable elements that may be missing. -Pete (talk) 07:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] XOXOXO - Oregon loves you, now love Oregon back!

Greetings to WikiProject Oregon folks. It is time again it is time for another round of the Collaboration Of The Week. A big thank you to those who worked on Mary Alice Ford ‎ and the Waterfront Blues Festival, both saw some great improvements. In honor of the great weather, we have our Semi-annual Great Oregon Picture Drive for this week’s collaboration. You can go out and take a picture, or search for a free one on the Internet, or in some cases remove an old request. See the bottom of this page for some links to a variety of free sources. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:53, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Rescue

Please see this discussion on Drawn Some's talk page for an explanation of those tags:[9] Fences and windows (talk) 03:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Blah blah blah, Oregon COTW

Hello to members of the WikiProject o' Oregon. Once again it is time for the Collaboration Of The Week. A thank you to everyone who participated in the Semi-annual Great Oregon Picture Drive, we added a lot of pictures. For this edition we have by request Mr. Maurice Lucas of the Blazers, and a maintenance type project with the Dab Patrol. For the later, pick any Oregon disambiguation page (mainly common city names) and use the "What links here" feature to find any stray incoming links and direct them to the correct article. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Peace out! Aboutmovies (talk) 07:21, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Cannabis

You are invited to join WikiProject Cannabis, a WikiProject dedicated to improving articles related to Cannabis. You received this invitation because of your history editing articles related to the plant. The WikiProject Cannabis group discussion is here. If you are interested in joining, please visit the project page, and add your name to the list of participants.

From one WikiProject Oregon member to another, I thought I would send you this invitation. I am not sure if you worked on the Cannabis in Oregon article only for being related to Oregon, or if you are interested in cannabis-related material too, but I wanted to let you know about this new WikiProject just in case. The purpose of this new group is to improve articles relating to cannabis, including drug policy, cultural aspects, legislation, activists, strains, organizations, medical benefits, decriminalization, effects, etc.

Also, this brand new project is in need of expert assistance. If you are familiar with upgrading WikiProjects to include assessments, Collaborations of the Week, Recent Talk/Changes pages, DYK and Awards sections, templates/infoboxes, etc., feel free to offer any help you can!

If you are not interested, no problem--keep up the great work at WikiProject Oregon, and best wishes! --Another Believer (Talk) 01:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Kite Man Says beware of powerlines

Hello to those who participate in WikiProject Oregon. Once again it is time for the Collaboration Of The Week. A thank you to everyone who participated in the Dab Patrol and improvements to Maurice Lucas. For this week we have Oregon company FLIR Systems, and a maintenance type project with the FA Update Drive. For the later, pick any Oregon FA class article and read through it to make sure it is still up-to-date. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. I like frogs. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Boz rates the day a Perfect Ten

Greetings and salutations to members of WikiProject Oregon. We hear bye announce another Collaboration Of The Week. Thanks to anyone who participated in updating any FA articles and for the improvements on FLIR Systems. This week we have two requests: former Blazer Sidney Wicks, and a key historical event with Oregon land fraud scandal. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] another in the cabal?

heh. I know there's a matriarch of the Forsyth cabal, so I was amused to see the Forsyth name come up (yet again). tedder (talk) 03:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Intriguing! Don't know that one, though I remember passing a Forsyth residence in Michigan once… -Pete (talk) 21:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Oregon Forest Resources Institute

Surely this is a stub?? Katr67 (talk) 18:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah -- just a victim of editing on autopilot. thanks for the catch! -Pete (talk) 21:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
And thanks for the quick additions to Frances Fuller Victor, too :) -Pete (talk) 21:35, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
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