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  • Would "passing" be a better word to use than "beating" when talking about Federer's overtaking of Sampras' record?--William S. Saturn (talk) 18:47, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I've moved the info about the riots in Urumqi to July 2009 Ürümqi riots. ITN needs to be updated ASAP. These riots have not been shown to be directly related to the independence movement, and infomation about the riots do not belong as a sub-section of that page. Otebig (talk) 02:38, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Can we link the riots link to here: [[July 2009 Ürümqi riots}]. This seems to be better than clicking on the link, and then clicking on another after finding out that the previous link has no information. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
      • I've already tagged that article for deletion: Wikipedia articles are not news articles and as of yet there is not enough to say about this incident for it to have a stand-alone article. That may change, but right now all we could do is report what happened, which is not enough for an article; we would have to say something about its impact, etc. So there is no point having this article, and certainly no point linking it from the main page. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 02:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


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The most recent entry in OTD is "Nathu La, a mountain pass in the Himalayas connecting between India and China, sealed during the Sino-Indian War, re-opened for trade after more than 40 years." I believe one of the words "connecting between" to be redundant and feel it would read better as "connecting India and China". Kind regards, Careful With That Axe, Eugene 07:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Careful With That Axe, Eugene (talk • contribs)

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The article on Tanzania says the capital moved from Dar es Salaam in 1996, the article on Dar es Salaam says 1974, the article on Dodoma says plans were made in 1973 and the the National Assembly moved in 1996. Seems to me we need one consistent answer. Perhaps: "Plans were made in the early 1970s to move the capital inland to Dodoma. These plans were approved in 1974, the National Assembly did not move until 1996 and many government offices remain in the old capital." DavisGL (talk) 05:02, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

This is a little outside the scope of what we can cover here. You need to bring this point up at the articles' respective talk pages. howcheng {chat} 07:16, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Michael Jackson main page

Please can someone put Michael Jackson on main page. It's the least wikipedia can do for the world's best dancer, singer and entertainer ever. --Forsena (talk) 18:07, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

He was. You missed him. --candle•wicke 18:09, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
For close to 4 ½ days, to be specific. —David Levy 18:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, after spending 4 and a half days on the main page we thought that people might of got the message....guess not!Willski72 (talk) 18:14, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Michael Jackson was on the main page for the four days after he died .You can see the way this was reported in the "in the news" section here
Portal:Current events/2009 June 25
Stadt (talk) 18:35, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
This is the moment he made his appearance... --candle•wicke 18:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
And he was knocked off by an exploding train... --candle•wicke 18:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Sounds painful... weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 18:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
@ Forsena - note that Wikipedia is not a collection of obituaries, and that Jacko wasn't the only death on June 25 either. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 18:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
This has absolutely nothing to do with this - actually it might - but is Wikipedia crashing again today? It hasn't been right since he died. I've spent half an hour trying to reply to something elsewhere. And this is the third time I've tried to get this message through. --candle•wicke 20:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Finally!!! It saves! (collapses in tears) --candle•wicke 20:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
The European servers were down for a little while, everything had to go through Florida. The secure site was still working fine. J Milburn (talk) 23:54, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Geez people if you dont understand what i'm talking about don't answer. I was talking about his Featured page should be on the main page. And I really think nobody gives a crap about a Prime Minister from a country they never heard of resigned. Put his featured article on main page please, this is least we can do for him. R.I.P Michael we love you --Forsena (talk) 10:17, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

If that's what you meant, why didn't you say it? I'm assuming the article will be saved for an anniversary- perhaps his birthday, perhaps the anniversary of his death. I imagine the editors of the article will want to work on it somewhat for a while yet anyway- it's changed fairly significantly since his death. J Milburn (talk) 10:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict) You could propose it at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. I'd like to take this opportunity to apologise for the ignorance of my fellow editors - when you said "can someone put Michael Jackson on main page" they mistakenly thought you were referring to Main page, and responded (correctly) that Michael Jackson had been on the Main page for some time. In hindsight, we all realise that that assumption was incorrect and we should magically have known you were, in fact, talking about a specific but unstated part of the Main page. The telepathic skills of many Wikipedia editors is sorely lacking. This is being addressed by a top-secret research programme, but in the meantime I ask that you state requests clearly, and not leave us guessing what you really mean. Cheers, TFOWRThis flag once was red 10:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Note Requests for assigning an FA to the front page for a certain day go to Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests, not WP:FAC. Regards, Dabomb87 (talk) 18:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
(ec) I suspect that given that you regularly seem to contribute to Serbia related articles there is a bit of aggressive POV creeping in here (I presume the resignation you were talking about was the PM of Serbia's next door neighbour, Croatia). Your talk page also suggests that you have been involved in edit warring on Eastern European/Balkan/Yugoslav related articles, which furthers my suspicions. As for Michael Jackson, if you want tributes go to a fansite. This is an encyclopaedia and we don't bend the rules just because one person has died. Also, I would point out that per Relativism theory, whilst you feel Jackson's death is notable, others will not, and likewise, whilst you feel the resignation of the Croatian PM is not notable, other will. All we can do is treat them as equally as possible. --Daviessimo (talk) 10:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

To most people Michael Jackson was just a good singer, most people did not "love" him. That Prime Minister you mentioned had far more power than Michael Jackson (although perphaps not skill) and is far more important in his country.Willski72 (talk) 10:38, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that if Micheal Jackson was so minded and had called for a socialist revolution in Croatia, the Prime Minister would have been pretty powerless to stop it. MickMacNee (talk) 10:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Celebrities have far more power than politicians, especially when comparing the likes of Michael Jackson to the PM of Croatia. Look what a former model achieved against one of the leaders of the free world... J Milburn (talk) 10:48, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Yup. Made Gordon Brown look like a right idiot. Although that's not hard these days. MickMacNee (talk) 10:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it was Joanna Lumley alone who changed Brown's mind. I'd say the commons defeat he suffered weeks before on the Gurka issue was more important. I'd also state that whilst Jackson may have more power of persuasion, political leaders have more absolute power, but that is an irrelevant point. Jackson has been listed on ITN so unless there is a major development he's not going back on there. All other sections require a defined process to be followed in order to get on the main page - you can't just demand he be put up because you thinks its notable --Daviessimo (talk) 11:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

It seems anyone can make Gordon Brown look like a right idiot at the moment but thats not the point, Michael Jackson doesnt control Nuclear missiles a Navy an airforce and an army, whereas (for better or for worse!) Gordon Brown does.Willski72 (talk) 11:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I think if it was properly advertised then it would be possible for Michael Jackson to make the Featured Article slot on the 1 month anniversary of his death, by shear weight of numbers alone. Go for it Forsena, don't listen to some of the rude people here. MickMacNee (talk) 10:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

PS even if Michael Jackson could of set of a socialist revolution in Croatia (which i doubt) it would fizzle out after a few weeks due to lack of sustained support. If he had tried it in the 80s before he made all those rubbish modern songs then things might be different...Willski72 (talk) 11:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

For the most part, month anniversaries don't count for much. A year, or, even better, decade or century, anniversary would be your best bet. J Milburn (talk) 11:16, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, discussion on whether / when to schedule Michael Jackson as Today's Featured Article is already underway here. BencherliteTalk 11:26, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I thought I was quite clear when I said Michael Jackson should be on Main Page you don't need telepathic skills to see that there is no words about news of his death (much different than saying news about Michael Jackson's death should be on main page), but unfortunately I wasn't so I'm sorry about that. TFOWR, spare me of your pathetic humor, I don't think it is very nice to make fun of me especially because we're all going through a very hard period because of death of Michael Jackson.Daviessimo you are assuming that I'm a POV aggressive editor because I contribute to Serbia-related articles? Your suspicions are almost as pathetic as his humor is. I was stating the fact that resignation of a PM of a small country most people never heard of isn't more important then the death of the world's best singer who has ten times more fans than of that country's population and who's one album was sold in 110 million copies. If Serbian PM resigned I would say the same. Most of things you said had nothing with MJ, but I will answer anyway, it was not a Balkan-related warring it was reverting destructive and insulting edits of an albanian editor. No, relativism theory doesn't suggest that resignation of a PM that maybe 1% of Wikipedia's visitors have heard of and death of Michael Jackson should be treated equally, if you think so you misunderstood the concept of the theory. Willski72 based on what do you suggest that one pm of a small country has more "power" than Michael Jackson? Only one Michael Jackson's album (Thriller) sold 110 million copies, that's approx 25 times more than the size of the country of that PM. In opinion of most PM you're talking about has no power compared to such an epic man like Michael Jackson. If so he wouldn't resign. Willski72 I doubt that he is more important in Croatia, but even if so, this is not Croatia's Wikipedia but World's wikipedia. I really don't care that you find his songs rubbish just to see his performance once is a proof how epic he was. The fact he got title for best singer and entertainer of the Millenium means much more than your opinion.--Forsena (talk) 17:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh me me me! (what about me, why was I not capitalised?) I'm collecting misunderstandings and allegations of badness and thought I was on a roll - darn it! :D (Note: This is my attempt to outdo TFOWR in the pathetic humour department - how did I do?) Anyway we're all emotional, it's very sad (there's even a section above which references his songs) and we're all having sleepless nights thinking about the suffering of his family. Our nights are divided between crying about Michael Jackson, the capsized sailors, Pakistani soldiers, lost plane passengers, drowning Europeans, blown up train victims... ;( it's been really, really tough on us all lately I can assure you of that. --candle•wicke 18:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Me and TWOFR have just been shot down in flames!! You were lucky to get out of that one alive Candlewicke! To Forsena i didnt say ALL his songs were rubbish, just his modern ones. It seems i underestimated the fanatical support he still has, i now realise that he could of probably pulled off a revolution. When you hear comments like "how epic he was" and "world's best dancer, singer and entertainer ever" and "Michael we love you", i now fully believe that many people would take a bullet for him! Nevertheless apart from making anguished fans commit suicide he had no real power over people, he could not raise or lower taxes, declare a state of emergency etc. Cheer up Forsena, at least we didnt mention all those obviously untrue, vile and disgusting claims brought against him over the years.Willski72 (talk) 19:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Wilski I would gladly take more than one bullet for him, I would do anything so he could live again, anything! He was NOT a politician he was a singer how on Earth would he lower taxes or anything like that? He donated millions and millions to help poor children. More than any/most politicians did. --Forsena (talk) 19:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
If I was being harsh I could say that he also spent millions on a fairytale home to fiddle with children in, then run into fantastic amounts of debt. But I won't. Oops! Just because you love Michael Jackson doesn't mean that a website you frequent should erect a shrine to the man. Some PM isn't more (or less) important than Jackson to our Main Page - it's just another news story that happened more recently and pushed him off ITN. ITN has a fixed length, every story will eventually be pushed off the bottom of it. We're not going to rewrite some policy for a pop singer, however good/famous. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 20:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
He earned millions of dollars because of his epic songs that are still popular and amazing dancing style. He didn't spend all the money on himself he gave millions and millions to poor people, to many organizations helping poor children. He also performed a lot of concerts for poor children earning no money to himself. But wait you expected him to keep his millions in a bank? What's wrong with a man who earned his money fairly to buy himself a more-than-deserved home? Many celebrities who had less money bought dozens of bigger ranches some even hundreds and weren't criticized and you criticize Michael because of one? I bet you wouldn't live in a small apartment if you had so much money. He was acquitted understand? Acquitted! It was all proven to be lies in which those boys and their parents were to earn money and media cooperated trying to make Michael be the evil guy, Michael wouldn't have hurt a fly, he loved children in fact he was a big child himself with a pure soul, unlike most spoiled celebrities. I wasn't asking anything else but to put his featured article on main page for some time, not because I love him, because he deserves it. The world, the media, his father caused him so much bad things, and still he didn't hate them. I bet most of you who insult him now, tried to imitate Moonwalking when you were little --Forsena (talk) 21:17, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Careful Vanderdecken! You're mentioning those "obviously untrue, vile and digusting claims" that are guaranteed to wind up the Michael Jackson fanatics to fever pitch!Willski72 (talk) 20:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Vanderdecken, have you no honor? How can you say such lies and nonsense about man who recently died. Even if you hate him can't you show little respect and honor from your side? I learned from him not to hate otherwise I would be answering in much worse language. Because of people like you he was in debts, media talked all the worst untrue BS about him which was later proven to be false. You obviously know nothing about him except what you heard in the media so can you please save that crap for yourself? For God sake even his home you are talking about is named Neverland! --Forsena (talk) 21:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

'we're all going through a very hard period because of death of Michael Jackson' wow, are we? Funny that, I never noticed; seems to me that most people actually don't care, or in many cases would prefer the news coverage to just shut up already. I'm fairly sure that more than 1% of our readers have heard of Croatia. Finally, if you're bizarrely accusing Vanderdecken of only knowing things about him from the media, does that mean you have some personal contact or some other information that wasn't conferred through some form of media? This discussion has gone WAY off topic and does NOT belong on T:MP; take it to WP:TFAR (which I notice you have not bothered to nominate the article at). Modest Genius talk 21:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Nobody here hates Michael Jackson, we just dont worship him as a Prophet or demi-god. He had 4 days in the news and there is a discussion on him being put on the featured article. However the proper channels have to be consulted, no man is so great that they are above Wikipedia rules, not even Michael Jackson.Willski72 (talk) 21:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I wonder if Wikipedia is the new 'measure' of fame, in as much that if John Lennon was alive today, he'd be saying the Beatles were bigger than Wikipedia --Daviessimo (talk) 22:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I just asked a featured article I asked for little respect but guess that some nerd rules are more important. --Forsena (talk) 11:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
You asked "Please can someone put Michael Jackson on main page." and then when we failed to understand that you actually meant "featured article" you complained "Geez people if you dont understand what i'm talking about don't answer." Respect cuts both ways. Cheers, TFOWRThis flag once was red 11:30, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
More significantly, people explained to you what you had to do if you wanted to get Michael Jackson on TFA. Despite, this, you made NO attempt to contact Raul654 or go thorough the proper subpage. It's unclear if Raul654, who is the only one who could put this as TFA is even aware of this discussion and even if he was, I don't see any reason why he should have listened to someone, who couldn't be bothered to follow a simple system even when it was clearly pointed out to him and instead prefered to do a whole bunch of whining on this page Nil Einne (talk) 13:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I hate him. No, seriously, Willski and Modest Genius are right - some celebrity died, great, but we are not altering Main Page policy just because you like him. His article is not a featured article - work it to FA status, nominate it, get it passed, then get it put on the Main Page. We are not going to fast-track it for you or anyone, so quit your whining. And everybody else, I know this is plain hypocrisy given my last comment here, but enough with the troll-baiting. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 13:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Um, Michael Jackson is a featured article. Modest Genius talk 16:45, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

All the better, now it just has to be nominated and past.Willski72 (talk) 16:49, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I find Zelaya far more interesting than some nutjob singer. I spent several months in Honduras and found the lack of admiration for money hungry weirdos quite comforting. Joy.discovery.invention (talk) 14:35, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] North Korean launch-imprecise

Shouldn't the item about the North Korean launch be changed to reflect that they were cruise missiles? In its current form the text implies that they were ballistic.--Fireaxe888 (talk) 11:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I would agree. I follow the line that people expect the worse, especially from a communist dictatorship that has shut down its borders and is well known for its nuclear ambitions. Its imprecise not inprecise by the way, but i wont hold it against ye!Willski72 (talk) 17:10, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

hi i edited and page and i would like back to normal please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.11.25.72 (talk) 23:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

More information please. --candle•wicke 00:03, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Independence Day

So D-Day only got a featured picture and was excluded from "on this day" under the "it only should appear in one section per day", but now we have a featured picture and on this day for Independence Day. Are there 2 standards at work here or has policy changed as a result of the d-day discussions? Knowledgeum :  Talk  08:33, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

It's mentioned as a holiday (because this recurs each year), but does not have an item in OTD. Whilst you have a point, I think the current setup is fair enough. Modest Genius talk 13:32, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
The other difference is that the main article in POTD is Trumbull's Declaration of Independence, not Independence Day (United States), whereas on June 6, both OTD and POTD would have led to Normandy Landings. howcheng {chat} 20:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Language panel

I cannot see Hindi, Tamil, JKannada OR ANY OTHER INDIAN language on the language pnel..--Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:27, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Main_Page_FAQ#In_what_order_are_the_other_Wikipedias_displayed.3F_Where.27s_my_language.3F for an explanation Modest Genius talk 15:55, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
A little further digging has thrown up some relevant discussion at Template_talk:Wikipedialang#Hindi_Wikipedia Modest Genius talk 16:00, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Capslock. Cruise Control To Awesome.--74.131.91.57 (talk) 01:39, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Video Game Articles

What we need are more video game articles. A lack of snippets on the front page that link to meticulously written articles about this medium will lead to loss of credibility in the scientific world. Please include more video game articles. Thanks. 84.129.157.23 (talk) 17:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Assuming its safe to interpret that as sarcasm, your complaint is hardly a new one. Bottom line, an FA takes a great deal of work, and people are going to be more prone to do that kind of work on a subject they find interesting. The best way to get the sort of topics you think are "appropriate" for the main page on there is to work on those articles. Complaining here is far less likely to prove fruitful.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 17:35, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
The false assumption that our objective is/should be appealing to the "credibility of the scientific world" aside, apparently Wikipedia editors are actually more interested in science than video games, considering that there are at least three times the amount of scientific FAs than gaming FAs. That reminds me: is there some stats tool out there that quantifies FAs and TFAs by general topic? It'd be helpful to know the exact percentage a certain type of article appears on the main page without having to sift through a long list of titles. Nufy8 (talk) 18:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] 20,000 -> 40,000

Where is the discussion where it was decided that Wikipedias in other languages listed on the Main Page need to have at least 40,000 articles, changed from 20,000? --82.6.52.129 (talk) 19:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I asked this question, wasn't logged in. --AdamSommerton (talk) 19:02, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Looks like it was done in this edit. I don't see any discussion for this on Template talk:Wikipedialang, but you should bring up any concerns you may have there. howcheng {chat} 19:44, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Note that I posted a more detailed explanation at Template talk:MainPageInterwikis#Georgian Wikipedia. —David Levy 20:32, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
OK, thanks, I was just curious. --AdamSommerton (talk) 22:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Honduras and the OAS

The News section states that the OAS has suspended Honduras, but shouldn't it also be noted that Honduras actually left the organization prior to being suspended? AP: Honduras leaves OAS after body decries coup LCpl (talk) 22:38, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

According to OAS, "an illegitimate government" cannot remove a member nation. [2] --BorgQueen (talk) 05:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] To Infinity and Beyond on Main Page

Hi, not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but can one send a page to AFD if it is on the main page? I'm going to assume the answer is no but I'd like confirmation. Thanks very much, weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 09:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

This article is not on the main page, is it? Anyway, probably you can send it to AfD. More appropriate place for such questions is one of the divisions at Village pump, though. --Tone 09:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, at DYK. Thanks for the tip off about VP - I've still not really figured out what exactly that's for! :P weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 09:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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